[CITASA] CITASA Digest, Vol 92, Issue 19

Stephen Barnard socsavvy at gmail.com
Tue Feb 23 14:08:34 EST 2016


This note on terminology has sparked quite an interesting discussion.  I
tend to agree that "digital" is generally the preferred term given the
aforementioned limits of many others.  I have also been inclined to use
"networked" when referring the to the broader context and consequences of
digital media and communication.

Steve

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St. Lawrence University

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> From: Christian Fuchs <christian.fuchs at uti.at>
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> On 23/02/2016 17:39, nathan jurgenson wrote:
> > always feel like adding digital cyber virtual etc is misleading and
> > wrong (assumes the web as a separate sphere, downplays the degree all eg
> > consumption is digital and all consumption via the screen isn't just
> > digital and so on). one way around the problem is reframing it as
> > "consumption and the web" or "digitality and the web" :)
>
> In which respect is all consumption digital? Or is it some consumption
> that is digitally mediated and some consumption is the consumption of
> digital products? But all consumption digital? Someone eating a
> cheese-sandwich sitting on a meadow cannot be said to be digital
> consumption... The act of eating is not digital and also the sandwich
> and the chesse are not digital...
> C.
>
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Davis, Jennifer Lauren - davis5jl
> > <davis5jl at jmu.edu <mailto:davis5jl at jmu.edu>> wrote:
> >
> >     I Agree with digital as a generally decent option. Given that the
> >     book is about "new media" you may also use
> >
> >     "New Media Prosumption." This gets around some of the language
> >     problems and captures the multi-directional nature of content
> creation
> >
> >     Best,
> >     Jenny
> >
> >     Jenny L. Davis
> >     Assistant Professor of Sociology
> >     James Madison University
> >     Co-Editor: Cyborgology.org <http://thesocietypages.org/cyborgology/>
> >     Twitter: @Jenny_L_Davis <https://twitter.com/Jenny_L_Davis>
> >
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> >     *From:* CITASA [citasa-bounces at list.citasa.org
> >     <mailto:citasa-bounces at list.citasa.org>] on behalf of Saskia Sassen
> >     [sjs2 at columbia.edu <mailto:sjs2 at columbia.edu>]
> >     *Sent:* Tuesday, February 23, 2016 7:26 AM
> >     *To:* Alladi Venkatesh
> >     *Cc:* citasa at list.citasa.org <mailto:citasa at list.citasa.org>
> >     *Subject:* Re: [CITASA] Need Sage Advice
> >
> >     i agree--digital is by far the best...Its actual meaning is of
> >     course narrower than the way the concept is deployed, but that is ok.
> >     saskia
> >
> >     On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 3:19 AM, Alladi Venkatesh <avenkate at uci.edu
> >     <mailto:avenkate at uci.edu>> wrote:
> >
> >         Thank you...you are probably right and I do respect your
> >         thoughts.. I will wait for a few more comments, if any..I do
> >         realize there is not much to choose from..
> >
> >         AV
> >
> >         Sent from my iPad
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> >          > On Feb 23, 2016, at 12:12 AM, "Deborah.Lupton"
> >         <Deborah.Lupton at canberra.edu.au
> >         <mailto:Deborah.Lupton at canberra.edu.au>> wrote:
> >          >
> >          > Hi
> >          >
> >          > I think 'digital' is a way better term than any other
> >         offerings - certainly less unwieldy than 'ICTs'. 'Cyber' is even
> >         more dated, and 'virtual' has its own meaning.
> >          >
> >          > Deborah
> >          >
> >          > Deborah Lupton, Centenary Research Professor
> >          > News & Media Research Centre
> >          > Faculty of Arts & Design
> >          > Bldg 9, Room 9C9
> >          > University of Canberra
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> >          > Latest books:  The Quantified Self (2016), Digital Sociology
> >         (2015), Risk, 2nd edition (2013), Fat (2013), The Social Worlds
> >         of the Unborn (2013), The Unborn Human (edited, 2013).
> >          > Blog: This Sociological Life
> >          > Twitter: @DALupton
> >          >
> >          >
> >          > ________________________________________
> >          > From: CITASA <citasa-bounces at list.citasa.org
> >         <mailto:citasa-bounces at list.citasa.org>> on behalf of Alladi
> >         Venkatesh <avenkate at uci.edu <mailto:avenkate at uci.edu>>
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> >          > Subject: [CITASA] Need Sage Advice
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> >          > Recently I was asked to contribute a chapter on "digital
> >         consumption" to an Edited book on new media etc. I sent a
> >         friendly note to the editor stating that
> >          > the word "digital" is so 2005 or thereabouts and is
> >         history....I don't
> >          > have a good substitute..."virtual" sounds slightly worse...so
> >         I am now in a fix and am looking for an appropriate term...
> >          >
> >          > Any thoughts?
> >          >
> >          > Alladi Venkatesh
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 12:13:06 -0600
> From: Nick Judd <ncj at uchicago.edu>
> To: citasa at list.citasa.org
> Subject: Re: [CITASA] Need Sage Advice
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> "-- and the web" might be better if one is speaking only of what one
> sees in one's browser + mobile browser.
>
> "Web" as short for "World Wide Web" primarily refers to a combination of
> three technologies: URLs/URIs, HTTP protocol, and HTML. Even in popular
> usage, we separate the Web from the walled-garden experiences that both
> a.) install software on a user device and b.) conceal any interaction
> with the three above technologies from the user. Consider the "mobile
> Web" (such as it is) versus "apps," for instance. Of course "apps" are
> nontrivial when we are interested in experiences mediated by digital
> technologies.
>
> Given that we are interested in production and consumption, this could
> be useful. For e.g., Instagram execs need not worry about how a user's
> choice to install ad blocking software interrupts the exchanges they
> want users to make. There is a larger set of behaviors available to a
> user on the "web."
>
> It might also be useful to allow some distinction between what people do
> in such a mediated interaction versus an interaction in letters versus
> face-to-face ...
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
> Nick Judd
> Department of Sociology
> The University of Chicago
>
> On 02/23/2016 11:39 AM, nathan jurgenson wrote:
> > always feel like adding digital cyber virtual etc is misleading and
> > wrong (assumes the web as a separate sphere, downplays the degree all
> > eg consumption is digital and all consumption via the screen isn't
> > just digital and so on). one way around the problem is reframing it as
> > "consumption and the web" or "digitality and the web" :)
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Davis, Jennifer Lauren - davis5jl
> > <davis5jl at jmu.edu <mailto:davis5jl at jmu.edu>> wrote:
> >
> >     I Agree with digital as a generally decent option. Given that the
> >     book is about "new media" you may also use
> >
> >     "New Media Prosumption." This gets around some of the language
> >     problems and captures the multi-directional nature of content
> >     creation
> >
> >     Best,
> >     Jenny
> >
> >     Jenny L. Davis
> >     Assistant Professor of Sociology
> >     James Madison University
> >     Co-Editor: Cyborgology.org <http://thesocietypages.org/cyborgology/>
> >     Twitter: @Jenny_L_Davis <https://twitter.com/Jenny_L_Davis>
> >
>  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >     *From:* CITASA [citasa-bounces at list.citasa.org
> >     <mailto:citasa-bounces at list.citasa.org>] on behalf of Saskia
> >     Sassen [sjs2 at columbia.edu <mailto:sjs2 at columbia.edu>]
> >     *Sent:* Tuesday, February 23, 2016 7:26 AM
> >     *To:* Alladi Venkatesh
> >     *Cc:* citasa at list.citasa.org <mailto:citasa at list.citasa.org>
> >     *Subject:* Re: [CITASA] Need Sage Advice
> >
> >     i agree--digital is by far the best...Its actual meaning is of
> >     course narrower than the way the concept is deployed, but that is ok.
> >     saskia
> >
> >     On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 3:19 AM, Alladi Venkatesh
> >     <avenkate at uci.edu <mailto:avenkate at uci.edu>> wrote:
> >
> >         Thank you...you are probably right and I do respect your
> >         thoughts.. I will wait for a few more comments, if any..I do
> >         realize there is not much to choose from..
> >
> >         AV
> >
> >         Sent from my iPad
> >
> >         > On Feb 23, 2016, at 12:12 AM, "Deborah.Lupton"
> >         <Deborah.Lupton at canberra.edu.au
> >         <mailto:Deborah.Lupton at canberra.edu.au>> wrote:
> >         >
> >         > Hi
> >         >
> >         > I think 'digital' is a way better term than any other
> >         offerings - certainly less unwieldy than 'ICTs'. 'Cyber' is
> >         even more dated, and 'virtual' has its own meaning.
> >         >
> >         > Deborah
> >         >
> >         > Deborah Lupton, Centenary Research Professor
> >         > News & Media Research Centre
> >         > Faculty of Arts & Design
> >         > Bldg 9, Room 9C9
> >         > University of Canberra
> >         > Bruce 2601
> >         > Australia (Australian Government Higher Education Registered
> >         Provider (CRICOS) #00212K)
> >         > Latest books:  The Quantified Self (2016), Digital Sociology
> >         (2015), Risk, 2nd edition (2013), Fat (2013), The Social
> >         Worlds of the Unborn (2013), The Unborn Human (edited, 2013).
> >         > Blog: This Sociological Life
> >         > Twitter: @DALupton
> >         >
> >         >
> >         > ________________________________________
> >         > From: CITASA <citasa-bounces at list.citasa.org
> >         <mailto:citasa-bounces at list.citasa.org>> on behalf of Alladi
> >         Venkatesh <avenkate at uci.edu <mailto:avenkate at uci.edu>>
> >         > Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 7:02 PM
> >         > To: citasa at list.citasa.org <mailto:citasa at list.citasa.org>
> >         > Cc: citasa at list.citasa.org <mailto:citasa at list.citasa.org>
> >         > Subject: [CITASA] Need Sage Advice
> >         >
> >         > Recently I was asked to contribute a chapter on "digital
> >         consumption" to an Edited book on new media etc. I sent a
> >         friendly note to the editor stating that
> >         > the word "digital" is so 2005 or thereabouts and is
> >         history....I don't
> >         > have a good substitute..."virtual" sounds slightly
> >         worse...so I am now in a fix and am looking for an appropriate
> >         term...
> >         >
> >         > Any thoughts?
> >         >
> >         > Alladi Venkatesh
> >         > _______________________________________________
> >         > CITASA mailing list
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> >     Saskia Sassen
> >     Robert S. Lynd Professor of Sociology
> >     Department of Sociology and
> >     Committee on Global Thought
> >     Columbia University
> >     Knox Hall 713
> >     606 W. 122nd St.
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