[CITASA] CITASA Digest, Vol 92, Issue 19

Guobin Yang gyang at asc.upenn.edu
Tue Feb 23 14:33:18 EST 2016


Of relevance to this discussion about terminology is a forthcoming book titled Digital Keywords: A Vocabulary of Information Society and Culture, edited by Benjamin Peters: 
http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10696.html 

-Guobin Yang

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This note on terminology has sparked quite an interesting discussion.  I tend to agree that "digital" is generally the preferred term given the aforementioned limits of many others.  I have also been inclined to use "networked" when referring the to the broader context and consequences of digital media and communication.

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   1. Re: Need Sage Advice (Christian Fuchs)
   2. Re: Need Sage Advice (Nick Judd)


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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 17:53:52 +0000
From: Christian Fuchs <christian.fuchs at uti.at<mailto:christian.fuchs at uti.at>>
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On 23/02/2016 17:39, nathan jurgenson wrote:
> always feel like adding digital cyber virtual etc is misleading and
> wrong (assumes the web as a separate sphere, downplays the degree all eg
> consumption is digital and all consumption via the screen isn't just
> digital and so on). one way around the problem is reframing it as
> "consumption and the web" or "digitality and the web" :)

In which respect is all consumption digital? Or is it some consumption
that is digitally mediated and some consumption is the consumption of
digital products? But all consumption digital? Someone eating a
cheese-sandwich sitting on a meadow cannot be said to be digital
consumption... The act of eating is not digital and also the sandwich
and the chesse are not digital...
C.

>
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Davis, Jennifer Lauren - davis5jl
> <davis5jl at jmu.edu<mailto:davis5jl at jmu.edu> <mailto:davis5jl at jmu.edu<mailto:davis5jl at jmu.edu>>> wrote:
>
>     I Agree with digital as a generally decent option. Given that the
>     book is about "new media" you may also use
>
>     "New Media Prosumption." This gets around some of the language
>     problems and captures the multi-directional nature of content creation
>
>     Best,
>     Jenny
>
>     Jenny L. Davis
>     Assistant Professor of Sociology
>     James Madison University
>     Co-Editor: Cyborgology.org <http://thesocietypages.org/cyborgology/>
>     Twitter: @Jenny_L_Davis <https://twitter.com/Jenny_L_Davis>
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>     *To:* Alladi Venkatesh
>     *Cc:* citasa at list.citasa.org<mailto:citasa at list.citasa.org> <mailto:citasa at list.citasa.org<mailto:citasa at list.citasa.org>>
>     *Subject:* Re: [CITASA] Need Sage Advice
>
>     i agree--digital is by far the best...Its actual meaning is of
>     course narrower than the way the concept is deployed, but that is ok.
>     saskia
>
>     On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 3:19 AM, Alladi Venkatesh <avenkate at uci.edu<mailto:avenkate at uci.edu>
>     <mailto:avenkate at uci.edu<mailto:avenkate at uci.edu>>> wrote:
>
>         Thank you...you are probably right and I do respect your
>         thoughts.. I will wait for a few more comments, if any..I do
>         realize there is not much to choose from..
>
>         AV
>
>         Sent from my iPad
>
>          > On Feb 23, 2016, at 12:12 AM, "Deborah.Lupton"
>         <Deborah.Lupton at canberra.edu.au<mailto:Deborah.Lupton at canberra.edu.au>
>         <mailto:Deborah.Lupton at canberra.edu.au<mailto:Deborah.Lupton at canberra.edu.au>>> wrote:
>          >
>          > Hi
>          >
>          > I think 'digital' is a way better term than any other
>         offerings - certainly less unwieldy than 'ICTs'. 'Cyber' is even
>         more dated, and 'virtual' has its own meaning.
>          >
>          > Deborah
>          >
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>          > Subject: [CITASA] Need Sage Advice
>          >
>          > Recently I was asked to contribute a chapter on "digital
>         consumption" to an Edited book on new media etc. I sent a
>         friendly note to the editor stating that
>          > the word "digital" is so 2005 or thereabouts and is
>         history....I don't
>          > have a good substitute..."virtual" sounds slightly worse...so
>         I am now in a fix and am looking for an appropriate term...
>          >
>          > Any thoughts?
>          >
>          > Alladi Venkatesh
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 12:13:06 -0600
From: Nick Judd <ncj at uchicago.edu<mailto:ncj at uchicago.edu>>
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Subject: Re: [CITASA] Need Sage Advice
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"-- and the web" might be better if one is speaking only of what one
sees in one's browser + mobile browser.

"Web" as short for "World Wide Web" primarily refers to a combination of
three technologies: URLs/URIs, HTTP protocol, and HTML. Even in popular
usage, we separate the Web from the walled-garden experiences that both
a.) install software on a user device and b.) conceal any interaction
with the three above technologies from the user. Consider the "mobile
Web" (such as it is) versus "apps," for instance. Of course "apps" are
nontrivial when we are interested in experiences mediated by digital
technologies.

Given that we are interested in production and consumption, this could
be useful. For e.g., Instagram execs need not worry about how a user's
choice to install ad blocking software interrupts the exchanges they
want users to make. There is a larger set of behaviors available to a
user on the "web."

It might also be useful to allow some distinction between what people do
in such a mediated interaction versus an interaction in letters versus
face-to-face ...



Best Regards,


Nick Judd
Department of Sociology
The University of Chicago

On 02/23/2016 11:39 AM, nathan jurgenson wrote:
> always feel like adding digital cyber virtual etc is misleading and
> wrong (assumes the web as a separate sphere, downplays the degree all
> eg consumption is digital and all consumption via the screen isn't
> just digital and so on). one way around the problem is reframing it as
> "consumption and the web" or "digitality and the web" :)
>
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Davis, Jennifer Lauren - davis5jl
> <davis5jl at jmu.edu<mailto:davis5jl at jmu.edu> <mailto:davis5jl at jmu.edu<mailto:davis5jl at jmu.edu>>> wrote:
>
>     I Agree with digital as a generally decent option. Given that the
>     book is about "new media" you may also use
>
>     "New Media Prosumption." This gets around some of the language
>     problems and captures the multi-directional nature of content
>     creation
>
>     Best,
>     Jenny
>
>     Jenny L. Davis
>     Assistant Professor of Sociology
>     James Madison University
>     Co-Editor: Cyborgology.org <http://thesocietypages.org/cyborgology/>
>     Twitter: @Jenny_L_Davis <https://twitter.com/Jenny_L_Davis>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>     <mailto:citasa-bounces at list.citasa.org<mailto:citasa-bounces at list.citasa.org>>] on behalf of Saskia
>     Sassen [sjs2 at columbia.edu<mailto:sjs2 at columbia.edu> <mailto:sjs2 at columbia.edu<mailto:sjs2 at columbia.edu>>]
>     *Sent:* Tuesday, February 23, 2016 7:26 AM
>     *To:* Alladi Venkatesh
>     *Cc:* citasa at list.citasa.org<mailto:citasa at list.citasa.org> <mailto:citasa at list.citasa.org<mailto:citasa at list.citasa.org>>
>     *Subject:* Re: [CITASA] Need Sage Advice
>
>     i agree--digital is by far the best...Its actual meaning is of
>     course narrower than the way the concept is deployed, but that is ok.
>     saskia
>
>     On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 3:19 AM, Alladi Venkatesh
>     <avenkate at uci.edu<mailto:avenkate at uci.edu> <mailto:avenkate at uci.edu<mailto:avenkate at uci.edu>>> wrote:
>
>         Thank you...you are probably right and I do respect your
>         thoughts.. I will wait for a few more comments, if any..I do
>         realize there is not much to choose from..
>
>         AV
>
>         Sent from my iPad
>
>         > On Feb 23, 2016, at 12:12 AM, "Deborah.Lupton"
>         <Deborah.Lupton at canberra.edu.au<mailto:Deborah.Lupton at canberra.edu.au>
>         <mailto:Deborah.Lupton at canberra.edu.au<mailto:Deborah.Lupton at canberra.edu.au>>> wrote:
>         >
>         > Hi
>         >
>         > I think 'digital' is a way better term than any other
>         offerings - certainly less unwieldy than 'ICTs'. 'Cyber' is
>         even more dated, and 'virtual' has its own meaning.
>         >
>         > Deborah
>         >
>         > Deborah Lupton, Centenary Research Professor
>         > News & Media Research Centre
>         > Faculty of Arts & Design
>         > Bldg 9, Room 9C9
>         > University of Canberra
>         > Bruce 2601
>         > Australia (Australian Government Higher Education Registered
>         Provider (CRICOS) #00212K)
>         > Latest books:  The Quantified Self (2016), Digital Sociology
>         (2015), Risk, 2nd edition (2013), Fat (2013), The Social
>         Worlds of the Unborn (2013), The Unborn Human (edited, 2013).
>         > Blog: This Sociological Life
>         > Twitter: @DALupton
>         >
>         >
>         > ________________________________________
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>         Venkatesh <avenkate at uci.edu<mailto:avenkate at uci.edu> <mailto:avenkate at uci.edu<mailto:avenkate at uci.edu>>>
>         > Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 7:02 PM
>         > To: citasa at list.citasa.org<mailto:citasa at list.citasa.org> <mailto:citasa at list.citasa.org<mailto:citasa at list.citasa.org>>
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>         > Subject: [CITASA] Need Sage Advice
>         >
>         > Recently I was asked to contribute a chapter on "digital
>         consumption" to an Edited book on new media etc. I sent a
>         friendly note to the editor stating that
>         > the word "digital" is so 2005 or thereabouts and is
>         history....I don't
>         > have a good substitute..."virtual" sounds slightly
>         worse...so I am now in a fix and am looking for an appropriate
>         term...
>         >
>         > Any thoughts?
>         >
>         > Alladi Venkatesh
>         > _______________________________________________
>         > CITASA mailing list
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